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<div dir="ltr">All of this gasoline stuff and sizing problems are nothing but a headache when dealing with any generator. Get one of these and it will take care of all of those issues (you can also power the most of your street at well)!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.wired.com/2007/12/toshibas-home-n/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.wired.com/2007/12/toshibas-home-n/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You will have plenty of power for that Alpha amp now!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Mike</div><div dir="ltr">N5VCX</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div>
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<span style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">I agree with you Ron about the hassle of a DIY solution, but for those who might feel confident about meeting that challenge, but hesitant to take on a 10 to 20 thousand dollar investment in a "whole house" generator, here's a less expensive plan: Install a single room heat pump style air conditioner, and add a small fridge and microwave. Then power it with a small moveable generator. That set up would keep you warm or cool, keep the lights in your one room going and power for your fridge, microwave and TV. There would be a cost, but not nearly what you'd face with the Generac solution.</span>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yes, the solution N5PRD describes was possible. We had a portable generator before we purchased the Generac solution. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">At our age which I am guessing is more advanced, the job of pulling out the generator from the garage, hooking it up, testing it periodically, having some type of feed through connection from the generator to the fan and other things you want to power like the refrigerator and the upright freezer, storing and hunting around for fuel, going outside to refuel the generator in the cold dark night were also considerations</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So I opted for the more automated solution. It is permanently installed by licensed plumbers and electricians, self-testing, automatically switches on whenever the utility power goes out. I have a seven year warranty on it and the maintenance plan too.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> And I also have the satisfaction of knowing that my wife and family are also protected from electrical failures after I pass on. </span></p>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Rick Hiller <div><b><i>e-mail: <a href="mailto:rickhiller73@gmail.com" target="_blank">rickhiller73@gmail.com</a></i></b></div><div><b><i>Cell: 832-474-3713</i></b></div><div><b><i>Physical: 9031 Troulon Drive</i></b></div><div><b><i> Houston, TX 77036</i></b></div></div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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